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VADS & VIDS
#1
Will

Can you solve an argument in the office please

Can you clarify if under BS5839 Pt:1 2017 on new installations that we are no longer allowed to provide VIDS anywhere and that any beacon provided has to be a VAD and designed in line with these

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Deano
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#2
Well ..........

Components

11.2 o) Visual alarm devices should conform to BS EN 54-23.

NOTE 3 Wireless audible and visual alarm devices are outside the scope of BS EN 54-3 and BS EN 54-23
respectively, but this does not preclude their use in a system that conforms to this part of BS 5839, provided the
devices satisfy the relevant performance requirements of these standards

However 17.1 Commentary ...

Visual alarm devices recommended in this standard are intended to apply to circumstances in which the visual
alarm is a primary warning of fire, but not to situations in which the visual alarm provides only supplementary
information, such as those recommended in BS 7273-1 for areas protected by a gaseous fire suppression system.

So I would say short answer is VADS only required where they are the primary warning (and as per part M Building Regs) otherwise standard beacons can be used ....
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#3
VAD where the visual aspect is the primary method of alerting the occupants, VID can be used anywhere for a supplementary visual
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(21-03-2018, 02:17 PM)designguru Wrote: Will

Can you solve an argument in the office please

Can you clarify if under BS5839 Pt:1 2017 on new installations that we are no longer allowed to provide VIDS anywhere and that any beacon provided has to be a VAD and designed in line with these

Cheers

Deano

Simple what do you want the flashing light to do?

warn people that there is a fire? then its a VAD

have a disco? then its a VID

If only there was some sort of guidance document on This
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(21-03-2018, 06:20 PM)Will Lloyd Wrote:
(21-03-2018, 02:17 PM)designguru Wrote: Will

Can you solve an argument in the office please

Can you clarify if under BS5839 Pt:1 2017 on new installations that we are no longer allowed to provide VIDS anywhere and that any beacon provided has to be a VAD and designed in line with these

Cheers

Deano

Simple what do you want the flashing light to do?

warn people that there is a fire? then its a VAD

have a disco? then its a VID

If only there was some sort of guidance document on This
will
I'm sure Apollo have a document, I did the CPD course and they did a presentation on them. I can ask for a copy and if I get it post it here.

bob
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(21-03-2018, 08:44 PM)bob1 Wrote:
(21-03-2018, 06:20 PM)Will Lloyd Wrote:
(21-03-2018, 02:17 PM)designguru Wrote: Will

Can you solve an argument in the office please

Can you clarify if under BS5839 Pt:1 2017 on new installations that we are no longer allowed to provide VIDS anywhere and that any beacon provided has to be a VAD and designed in line with these

Cheers

Deano

Simple what do you want the flashing light to do?

warn people that there is a fire? then its a VAD

have a disco? then its a VID

If only there was some sort of guidance document on This
will
I'm sure Apollo have a document, I did the CPD course and they did a presentation on them. I can ask for a copy and if I get it post it here.

bob
Bob. He was being sarcastic (as usual) the word ‘This’ in his reply is a link to the FIA guidance notes.
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(22-03-2018, 07:53 AM)martinh1234 Wrote:
(21-03-2018, 08:44 PM)bob1 Wrote:
(21-03-2018, 06:20 PM)Will Lloyd Wrote:
(21-03-2018, 02:17 PM)designguru Wrote: Will

Can you solve an argument in the office please

Can you clarify if under BS5839 Pt:1 2017 on new installations that we are no longer allowed to provide VIDS anywhere and that any beacon provided has to be a VAD and designed in line with these

Cheers

Deano

Simple what do you want the flashing light to do?

warn people that there is a fire? then its a VAD

have a disco? then its a VID

If only there was some sort of guidance document on This
will
I'm sure Apollo have a document, I did the CPD course and they did a presentation on them. I can ask for a copy and if I get it post it here.

bob
Bob. He was being sarcastic (as usual) the word ‘This’ in his reply is a link to the FIA guidance notes.

AH, it was a hard day and I missed it :-). Forewarned for future!!!
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(22-03-2018, 07:53 AM)martinh1234 Wrote: Bob. He was being sarcastic (as usual) the word ‘This’ in his reply is a link to the FIA guidance notes.


Hey I resent resemble that remark
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#9
So, all new systems in buildings with sleeping rooms, need a VAD in each bedroom and bathroom, en suite, or shower room...
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