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A bit off topic but I have been asked by a client (small nursing home) if I can fit a door mag to the main door with a key pad for access and a push to release button and break glass to exit. At present the door is locked by key. Fire service visit recommendation. I have been having a look on the wonder web, and I have only come across 1 kit with a fire rated door mag. Anyone got any recommendations?
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(31-08-2018, 11:51 PM)tc(two cup) Wrote: A bit off topic but I have been asked by a client (small nursing home) if I can fit a door mag to the main door with a key pad for access and a push to release button and break glass to exit. At present the door is locked by key. Fire service visit recommendation. I have been having a look on the wonder web, and I have only come across 1 kit with a fire rated door mag. Anyone got any recommendations?

ACT 10 and a latch or mag? 
Why would you need a fire rated mag?
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#3
The fire officer has asked for a fire rated mag??
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#4
Did he mean fire interfaced I wonder....
Bugger, I did isolate the dialer...didn't I?
Oops
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#5
No, mag with release button and break glass to exit and access panel for entry.
Specifically asked for fire rated mag.
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#6
I'd ask the fire officer to put his cards on the table and explain why he wants that and what benchmark he is referring to that suggests it. Long gone are the days they can require something and as a final exit door doesn't even need to be fire rated makes no sense.

Perhaps he means the cabling from the fire alarm to the mag and is confused by that fun to translate BS7273-4 (which is where they or anyone else should get their initial pointers on requirements for mags)
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#7
They haven’t asked for it to be linked to the fire alarm, at present the door is locked with a key, I can see why they want a door mag, at least the door can be opened with the press of a button or break glass in an emergency. Can’t see why the mag has to be fire rated.
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#8
Just ask the FO for a rational on why he wants it fitted, has it been agreed with the clients fire risk assesment, and to what specification he wants it in stalled. Then sit back and wait for the reply. My experience is that these FO's havent got much of a clue what they are talking about. Their main job is putting the fires out, and managing scenes. When it comes to British Standards, they have very limited knowledge.
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#9
Also ask if they want to specify the mag lock as fail open, or fail close. That really throws them...
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#10
Lol,


No need for fire rated mag as above.
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