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Zonal indication on addressable panels.
#1
Just taken over two systems that have been installed on a site I look after, installed by sparkies, but commissioned by a BAFE firm. Panels are MX Pro4's. Now they dont have zone indicators as stsndard, and they havent been fitted by the installers.

Im sure its a requirement to have them, but ive not got my standards book with me to quote from. Anyone know the section if falls under...

The commissioning engineer has also just programmed the system, which is like a mefium Travelodge type building, as only three zones. Ground floor, first floor, and roof void. The staircases are not even given their own zone...
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#2
You are correct

BS 5839-1 2017 23.2.2
The following recommendations apply to the facilities provided for visual indication of fire signals.

a) The indicating facilities should be suitable for the fire and evacuation procedures intended for the building. In complex premises, there should be adequate consultation between the interested
parties (see 6.2) to ensure that appropriate indicating facilities are provided.

b) The primary indication of the area(s) from which a fire signal(s) has originated should comprise an indication of the zone.

c) The form of zone indication should comprise a separate light-emitting indicator for each zone of the system (e.g. a LED matrix or illuminated mimic diagram), such that the indicating equipment
is capable of simultaneous display of fire signals on every zone.

NOTE 1 In very large premises it might be acceptable to use a hierarchal arrangement of displays. For example, CIE might indicate the sector of origin, while further indicating equipment in the sector indicates the
detection zone(s) of origin.

d) A visual display unit (VDU) may be used to provide the display recommended in 23.2.2c) provided that:

1) the VDU can provide a simultaneous display of fire signals in all zones, without manual intervention; and

2) because the reliability of a single VDU is not adequate, a back-up form of zone indication is provided; this may comprise a second method of indication conforming to 23.2.2c), a second VDU or a printer configured to automatically print out the fire information.

NOTE 2 Printers are not considered suitable as a primary indication since, in the event of ink, ribbon or paper being exhausted, the indication will be lost. They might, however, be acceptable as a back-up or supplement to another display
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#3
Yet an EN54 compliant addressable panel doesn't have to have zone LEDs as whilst the UK likes them the EU don't think they are worth bothering with. Advanced Panels are the worst culprits, often seen them with no zone LEDs.
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(27-09-2018, 07:51 PM)AnthonyB Wrote: Yet an EN54 compliant addressable panel doesn't have to have zone LEDs as whilst the UK likes them the EU don't think they are worth bothering with. Advanced Panels are the worst culprits, often seen them with no zone LEDs.

I use to give me so much joy when I was going to meet firms that where interested in getting BAFE walk in get asked to wait ion reception while they go and get the boss
I have a quick look at the in house fire alarm
so many times it was all ways the same
no zone plan
unswitched fused spur
and advanced MX4 with no zonal LED's

half way through the meeting tell them their own fire alarm in their building would not pass an audit. the look of horror was priceless
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#5
What about panels like advanced where it actually shows the zone in alarm on the screen? Or like the Vigilon that lists each fire on the main screen?

Let’s be honest, a large skyscraper in London would have a wall spanning potentially multiple floors with just numbered LEDs. Surely there must be a way around systems that large?
*Hits call point*... "we are on test aren't we?"... Whoops 
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#6
Cheers Will, I knew I was correct.

Addressable systems also need the staircase designated as a separate zone as well then.
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#7
(27-09-2018, 09:28 PM)Harrysu Wrote: What about panels like advanced where it actually shows the zone in alarm on the screen? Or like the Vigilon that lists each fire on the main screen?

Let’s be honest, a large skyscraper in London would have a wall spanning potentially multiple floors with just numbered LEDs. Surely there must be a way around systems that large?

I know what you mean but 5 of the advanced 200 zone cards aren’t that big really

The silly thing with them is they are only labelled 1-200 i did ask once how much to label the 100 zone cards 101-200.201-300 etc for use on a big network and it was fortunes.....we just label printed a label in the end saying zones 101-200 etc and stuck it above the LED
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(27-09-2018, 09:28 PM)Harrysu Wrote: What about panels like advanced where it actually shows the zone in alarm on the screen? Or like the Vigilon that lists each fire on the main screen?

Let’s be honest, a large skyscraper in London would have a wall spanning potentially multiple floors with just numbered LEDs. Surely there must be a way around systems that large?

Its the ability to show all zones in fire which is the key
this enables the FRS to see the progression of the fire through the building
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(28-09-2018, 12:52 AM)Tilly Wrote: Cheers Will, I knew I was correct.

Addressable systems also need the staircase designated as a separate zone as well then.

yes staircase is a separate zone 13.2.3 c)
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(27-09-2018, 09:28 PM)Harrysu Wrote: What about panels like advanced where it actually shows the zone in alarm on the screen? Or like the Vigilon that lists each fire on the main screen?

Let’s be honest, a large skyscraper in London would have a wall spanning potentially multiple floors with just numbered LEDs. Surely there must be a way around systems that large?

Normally use a custom mimic panel, last one I did had a huge mimic with a printer as well so FB could see the area of the fire, they also got the hard copy off the printer and would then go to the remote panel for further info.
Bugger, I did isolate the dialer...didn't I?
Oops
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