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Special inspection
#1
BS 5839-1 special inspection for an existing system maintenance by a new servicing organisation, for reporting of any major non compliances, is this to the current edition of the standard or the one that was applicable at the time of original installation?
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#2
When was the original?
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#3
The age of the system, likely to be the 1980 version.

Understandably, a lot of changes have happened over the last forty years, so is the idea to inspect against the current edition as presumably the recommendations have improved over time, and provide the necessary advice and information?
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#4
Current edition
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#5
That is what I thought but then, to the customer, perhaps that doesn't seem fair, especially if we're picking up on something that was okay back then but not the case now.

I guess it's up to the new maintenance organisation to explain the old and new BS when advising the customer of the non-compliances
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#6
It’s no different than British Gas coming to service your boiler and stating that it’s not to current standards. Doesn’t mean it’s not suitable, if it’s still performing as intended then fine.

As part of the takeover we always ask to see the FRA as this is the document that determines what is required for the building. It also helps to substantiate any recommendations you may have as a result of the inspection.
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(30-01-2020, 10:59 AM)Will Lloyd Wrote: Current edition

Just to clarify your comment, if the old system, was installed under a previous version of BS, and has been acceptable for the last 15 years, say, because BS isnt retrospective. A new service organisation takes over the contract, and its now unsatisfactory ?

Or are you saying the take over inspection has to be current BS compliant, and you have to fail the system as not to current standards ?  Thats a hard sell to a customer..
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#8
Regs are not retrospective, so I cant see how you can inspect an old system to new regs.

I will highlight any major issues if its a safety issue.
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#9
You have to assess the system based on the current standard and advise of any “non-conformances”. That’s not failing the system. You are advising them that their system is just that - not to current standard. Many unscrupulous companies use this “Not to current standard” line as a means to encourage the customer to upgrade their system.

Since 2005, any commercial entity needs to undertake a fire risk assessment, and it’s this assessment that determines whether (for example) a system (that presumably is still fully serviceable) installed to the 1988 standard is still suitable for the premises or not. There are of course other factors to consider (insurers, landlord minimums etc), along with others that can be used to justify an upgrade (manufacturer lifespan policies for example) all of which BS states should be considered throughout the life of the system.

It’s understanding these intricacies that form part of that all important ‘C’ word - competency!
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#10
Test and Inspect to current standards - report submitted for Customer for them to file away or upgrade.
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