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Fire risk assessments and rented houses
#1
Hello all.

I rent out 2 houses to tenants via a letting organisation. Neither are hmo’s.

House 1 is a 2 bed 2 storey mid terrace with battery only smoke detectors on both floors in the corridor areas. There is a battery c.o. Alarm in the kitchen due to the boiler in the kitchen.

The second house is a 2 bed, 2 storey semi detached house with a mains and battery interlinked system of a smoke in each corridor and a heat in the kitchen. There are battery c.o. Detectors in the kitchen to cover the boiler and the sitting room downstairs To cover the wood stove.

1 - do i need a fire r.a. For both or either house? If so should the letting organisation do it? How often should it be reviewed if it is needed?

2 - the residents test the alarms weekly but how often should they be tested by a competent person? Can i, as A fire alarm engineer do it myself? (I am an employed person so cannot write a certificate of compliance)

Thanks for all and any help...
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(10-07-2020, 12:59 PM)alonso Wrote: Hello all.

I rent out 2 houses to tenants via a letting organisation. Neither are hmo’s.

House 1 is a 2 bed 2 storey mid terrace with battery only smoke detectors on both floors in the corridor areas. There is a battery c.o. Alarm in the kitchen due to the boiler in the kitchen.

The second house is a 2 bed, 2 storey semi detached house with a mains and battery interlinked system of a smoke in each corridor and a heat in the kitchen. There are battery c.o. Detectors in the kitchen to cover the boiler and the sitting room downstairs To cover the wood stove.

1 - do i need a fire r.a. For both or either house? If so should the letting organisation do it? How often should it be reviewed if it is needed?

No you don't need a FRA as they are outside the scope of the FSO

(10-07-2020, 12:59 PM)alonso Wrote: 2 - the residents test the alarms weekly but how often should they be tested by a competent person? Can i, as A fire alarm engineer do it myself? (I am an employed person so cannot write a certificate of compliance)

Thanks for all and any help...

Other than in the case of sheltered housing scheme and dispersed telecare-enabled fire detection and fire alarm systems, this part of BS 5839 does not specifically recommend
that Grade C, Grade D and Grade F systems are maintained by a competent person, unless identified in the manufacturer’s instructions. If these systems are serviced by a
competent person, this should be carried out in accordance with Annex I.

and yes you can do it your self if you competent, and there is even certificate that you can fill out to give to your self
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#3
Note that you are subject to The Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm (England) Regulations 2015 (assuming you are in England! In Scotland more stringent rules are in place related to minimum cover, Wales doesn't seem bothered) which require private rented sector landlords to have:

- at least one smoke alarm installed on every storey of their rental property which is used as living accommodation, and
- a carbon monoxide alarm in any room used as living accommodation where solid fuel is used
- also the landlord must make sure the alarms are in working order at the start of each new tenancy.

After the landlord’s test on the first day of the tenancy, tenants should take responsibility for their own safety and test all alarms regularly to make sure they are in working order. Testing monthly is generally considered an appropriate frequency for smoke alarms. If tenants find that their alarm(s) are not in working order during the tenancy, they are advised to arrange the replacement of the batteries or the alarm itself with the relevant landlord.

For each new tenancy landlords must check that the required alarms are in working order on the first day of the tenancy.

Don't forget the mandatory 5 yearly EICR that's just come in too.
The first day of the tenancy is the date stipulated in the tenancy agreement, even where the tenant decides to actually move into the property on a later date.

The intention of the regulations is to increase the safety of private sector tenants by ensuring that they have working alarms at the beginning of the tenancy.
Anthony Buck
Fire Safety Technical Lead @ BAFE SP205 accredited company
Extinguisher specialist

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Anthony and will thanks for your great advice!

Will - is the service cert in 5839-6 if i want to do it myself? I was always under the impression i needed to be registered as a company and have liability insurance? Is this wrong?

As a sub question i have been advised that the battery only detectors should be replaced by grade d mains and battery devices - is this correct? And would they then linking together?
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(27-07-2020, 01:03 PM)alonso Wrote: Anthony and will thanks for your great advice!

Will - is the service cert in 5839-6 if i want to do it myself? I was always under the impression i needed to be registered as a company and have liability insurance? Is this wrong?

its for a competent person if you feel you are competent you can sign it

(27-07-2020, 01:03 PM)alonso Wrote: As a sub question i have been advised that the battery only detectors should be replaced by grade d mains and battery devices - is this correct? And would they then linking together?

to the CO and smoke alarms regulations 2015 battery is ok

to BS 5839-6 it would be Grade D1 LD2 which would require interlinking

but then again battery only smoke alarms should be interlinked as well as its only been a recommendation since part 6 was first published in 1995!
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Technical Manager FIA

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(27-07-2020, 02:36 PM)Will Lloyd Wrote:
(27-07-2020, 01:03 PM)alonso Wrote: Anthony and will thanks for your great advice!

Will - is the service cert in 5839-6 if i want to do it myself? I was always under the impression i needed to be registered as a company and have liability insurance? Is this wrong?

its for a competent person if you feel you are competent you can sign it

(27-07-2020, 01:03 PM)alonso Wrote: As a sub question i have been advised that the battery only detectors should be replaced by grade d mains and battery devices - is this correct? And would they then linking together?

to the CO and smoke alarms regulations 2015 battery is ok

to BS 5839-6 it would be Grade D1 LD2 which would require interlinking

but then again battery only smoke alarms should be interlinked as well as its only been a recommendation since part 6 was first published in 1995!

excellent will thanks! i'm going to push your tolerances and good nature and ask if radio interlinking is acceptable or does it have to be hard wired?
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(28-07-2020, 10:55 AM)alonso Wrote: excellent will thanks! i'm going to push your tolerances and good nature and ask if radio interlinking is acceptable or does it have to be hard wired?

Just to let everyone know that this is Alonso's fault so no complaining to me!!

click here if you dare!!!

yes radio interlinking is acceptable
www.fia.uk.com

Technical Manager FIA

All comments and views are mine own and may not reflect the views of FIA
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(28-07-2020, 11:59 AM)Will Lloyd Wrote:
(28-07-2020, 10:55 AM)alonso Wrote: excellent will thanks! i'm going to push your tolerances and good nature and ask if radio interlinking is acceptable or does it have to be hard wired?

Just to let everyone know that this is Alonso's fault so no complaining to me!!

click here if you dare!!!

yes radio interlinking is acceptable
Thanks will! i'll do that course! (as soon as i pass the design course - 63.5% at last attempt!!!!)

does anyone have recommendations for grade d1 smoke detectors for a part 6 system? i don't have experience of domestic so don't know what's good and what's not....
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(31-07-2020, 09:25 AM)alonso Wrote: does anyone have recommendations for grade d1 smoke detectors for a part 6 system? i don't have experience of domestic so don't know what's good and what's not....

Aico
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#10
As above, Aico have the domestic market well and truly covered
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